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Sacred (W32)

I created the page to add a music from this game. But I don`t know, have some tracks loops, and what kind of this is music. Can I upload some of this without correct order, without the number of track in the name of the file? And also, can you help me with a text for this page - I know English, but I`m only 14, so I can make mistakes in the texts. --M1911 (talk) 02:19, 22 August 2014 (MDT)

Hi M1911! I looks like you've got a great start to your first game page! I'll direct you to the Editing Rules page, specifically the Music Submissions section which talks about how and why music must be submitted in Vorbis format rather than MP3. Don't worry, it's really easy to do! This will make the music visible and playable on the page for other visitors. Also, if there isn't a soundtrack to use as a guide for track numbers, just make up your own track numbers based on the order in which the songs appear in the game. I will gladly correct any grammatical errors after you're happy with the finished page. It's wonderful having your help on this project! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:47, 22 August 2014 (MDT)

OK, thank you. I though, it will be the most correct to upload music files (after comveting mp3s to oggs, of course), without numbers of tracks, because the order of appearance of it seriously depends on passage. As soon the page will be created, it will be easy to rename it. Right? -M1911 (talk) 09:06, 22 August 2014 (MDT)

Songs should always have track numbers, even if they don't appear in a particular order in the game. Just use your best judgment to create a play order. Renaming the file is pretty simple. Just go to it's file page, for example 00 - Sacred - W32 - Fanfare.ogg, and at the top there is a little drop-down arrow which contains the "Move" option. Then just move the file to the new name. You can uncheck the "Leave a redirect behind" box since there won't be any need for a redirect.--TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2014 (MDT)

Dean, I worked today for this page. The most loving for me tracks are there. Sorry, but for some reasons I won`t be able to work this page before the next sunday. How the page is looking now? --M1911 (talk) 07:52, 23 August 2014 (MDT)

It's looking great so far! One thing I noticed about the track order though, rather than sort the songs alphabetically, try to put them in order based on the order which they appear in the game. That way, when people listen to them, it fits with the game. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:40, 2 September 2014 (MDT)

An idea about non-game music

How about the additional .ogg files for this pages to listen the variant of original music (not only video game variants)? Like this. I thought about it. IMHO, this is interesting and doesn't lacks the common sence. People should know the original. What do you think about it? --M1911 (talk) 08:11, 30 August 2014 (MDT)

Last week, I went through each of the non-game songs and included a link to a professionally composed version on YouTube. Each page also contains a link to their corresponding Wikipedia page which often has a professional audio recording. I think this is enough for fans of the song to appreciate. That's a good idea, but we only have so much server space and bandwidth, and I would prefer it to be all about videogames for now. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:40, 2 September 2014 (MDT)


Hello, Dean!

Some formats have no icons.

Can you give some instructions or rules about adding new formats to Wiki, especially how to create format icons? I think it isn't so hard, but I can't find correct font name and size for it :) Thanks. --binarymaster (talk) 08:16, 12 October 2014 (MDT)

Here you go. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 20:13, 12 October 2014 (MDT)


I added an icon for NBS format (for Minecraft Note Block Studio (W32)). But I didn't understand, how to change this black space around the logo - I badly know about PNG transparent colour. Can you fix it, please?

And also, here is some question. You are the first man for me who speaks English as native language (other were Russian, Arabian, Indian, Chinese people). Can you describe my the most frequent mystakes in language (grammatic, words, common sense, etc.)? If you'll do it, I will be know now to change my practise for better. And, if you will note any my mistakes, please, fix it or report me - sometimes I don't see my mistakes a point blank in my English. --M1911 (talk) 06:14, 16 October 2014 (MDT)

M1911, I already corrected your icon :) --binarymaster (talk) 08:30, 16 October 2014 (MDT)

Heh heh, binarymaster made the image fix before I had a chance to do it! Yes, I can help you speak English more accurately. I applaud you that your English is clear enough that I can understand what you're saying, but as you point out, there are still issues with syntax. In your first sentence you wrote, "here is some question." I know what you mean, but the grammar is incorrect because it uses both singular and plural words for the same object. If you could correct this by writing, "here is a question," if you only had one question, or, if you had more than one question, you could write, "here are some questions." Remember that "is" is used for singular objects, while "are" is for plural objects. For another example, if you're talking about one man, you would say, "he is tall," but if you're talking about more than one man, you would say, "those three men are tall." I will try to give you corrections on your edits as well. I hope this helps you out! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 10:40, 16 October 2014 (MDT)

That is correct. Mincraft doesn't fit with the Music Submission guidelines because it is not 10 years old, freeware, or permission has not been given to us. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 19:01, 19 October 2014 (MDT)

  • Hmm. I added the note in the rules in the source come about the "games in a public domain". And also. The player called higher can convert NBS to MIDI. Should I add MIDI sountrack on the page and its icon in the statusbar? (In rip it will be added certainly)--M1911 (talk) 03:43, 24 October 2014 (MDT)

Typo in the game title


Can you rename this page?

Asterisk and Obelix (DOS) => Astérix & Obélix (DOS) --binarymaster (talk) 13:40, 20 October 2014 (MDT)

All set. Also, I gave you the rights to move files, so in the future you can do this on your own! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 14:40, 20 October 2014 (MDT)

Oh, that's great! Thanks! --binarymaster (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2014 (MDT)

Format Headers

AIFF and XMI share the same header format - IFF. IFF (Interchange File Format) is not specific file format, it's a generic container file format with tree structure like RIFF, it begins with "FORM" signature, followed by big-endian length and FourCC ID.

AIFF is not derivative from IFF format, it just uses this structure. --binarymaster (talk) 16:22, 23 October 2014 (MDT)


.iff extension sometimes used by ILBM graphic format (it uses IFF structure too).

I also added technical info on AIFF and XMI. --binarymaster (talk) 02:47, 24 October 2014 (MDT)

UPD 2:

AIFF-C uses custom header (with little-endian length encoding). --binarymaster (talk) 03:01, 24 October 2014 (MDT)

UPD 3:

I think it would be good to specify multiple headers for formats.

Example 1:

{{Infobox Format
| Title       = Audio Interchange File Format
| Format      = AIFF
| Developer   = [[Apple]]
| Header01    = IFF
| Header02    = AIFF-C

Example 2:

{{Infobox Format
| Title       = RIFF-based MIDI
| Format      = RMI
| Developer   = [[Microsoft]]
| Header01    = RIFF
| Header02    = SMF

--binarymaster (talk) 03:27, 24 October 2014 (MDT)

Thanks for the corrections to the headers. We may need to make a separate page for AIFF-C, as it looks to be a pretty different format all-together. Regarding multiple headers, I think we'll keep it with just one for now. An RMI file may contains an SMF header further inside the file, but it's not the true header of the file itself. The SMF header really belongs on the MIDI page or perhaps in its own page if it's different enough. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 10:42, 27 October 2014 (MDT)


When I'm trying to connect vgmpf from my ip, DNS gives me this error. From my school, all works normally (I'm writting this from there). I dunno what is this. What the problem? --M1911 (talk) 02:56, 27 November 2014 (MST)

Are you getting that error from your home? If so, can you give me your IP address? You can get it by visiting this web page: --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 21:27, 27 November 2014 (MST)

Yes, I am. It's If my prowider doesn't change it a little time ago, o' cource. --M1911 (talk) 22:07, 28 November 2014 (MST)

I see what the problem is. I recently blocked that IP due to unusually high traffic. I was seeing several gigabytes of traffic a day being downloaded from that IP--more data was being downloaded from that IP than the combined traffic of the entire USA! I've unblocked that IP, but you should check your computer for viruses or any software that may be trying to spider the site to make sure it doesn't happen again. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:53, 1 December 2014 (MST)

This is strange... OK, I'll check it. Thank you. --M1911 (talk) 01:36, 3 December 2014 (MST)

Abd also. Can you re-upload the crap version of Apache Strike (DOS) tune and loop the Apache Strike (MAC) tune? --M1911 (talk) 08:53, 3 December 2014 (MST)

I'm not sure what you're asking about the DOS version of Apache Strike. You uploaded this file back in October, and it still exists in the Wiki. If you want to loop the MAC song, it's really simple. Download Audacity, a full-featured free audio editor. In there you can copy and paste the audio to make it loop. Remember that music in this Wiki should have the original tune, a loop of the tune, and then a 10 second fade out. I'll probably add a guide soon, but I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 10:09, 3 December 2014 (MST)

  • I corrected it. BTW, today's my birthday (5th of December). --M1911 (talk) 22:13, 4 December 2014 (MST)

Thank you very much, and happy birthday! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:30, 5 December 2014 (MST)

  • I saw an information that some Minecraft music is using by official sites without author's permission (Calm4 and 11). I contacted with them, and they said me that using this Minecraft music (not all, only this) can be played fully. Is this some sence in creating Minecraft page and adding this two tracks (another will be blank)? And adding another tracks as 10th of May 2019 (ten years after 0.00a version of Minecraft released)? Or I should contact with Notch and C418 for that? --M1911 (talk) 03:11, 9 December 2014 (MST)

Check the Music Submission rules. If you can get permission directly from the music's copyright holder, then you may add a game's soundtrack before the 10-year-mark. However, even after the ten-year-mark, if the copyright holder ever requests the music to be taken down, it must be removed! By the way, when you have general questions like this, please ask them in the Forum, that way everyone will be able to read the conversations and benefit from them! :-) --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:49, 9 December 2014 (MST)

  • No problems. I'll try to contact C418 and Notch. If they allow me to do something with their music, I'll say about it. --M1911 (talk) 08:54, 9 December 2014 (MST)
    • I'm twittered to Notch yet. And another question. On the page with rules you said about the games in public domain. Do you think that this is a little mistake? Public domain comes after the 70 - 100 years from author's death, but the first computer game was maid in 1947 (its author died in 2009). Is it need to change it? --M1911 (talk) 09:24, 9 December 2014 (MST)


  • I answered on the forum for your questions.
    And also, I started to make the gameplay of computer games (firstly Sacred 2: Fallen Angel (W32)). Here is my first YouTube video (login may be silly, but it is temporary, I'll change it later, maybe). I know, it's russian version, but you can also sow it - and so I will ad anotations and video descriptions also in English. --M1911 (talk) 09:02, 12 December 2014 (MST)
    • And another question with the Sacred (W32). I tried to upload the MP3 rip (even not full!), but server wrote me that I can't upload so big ZIP files. Should I do anything to sdolve this problem or I shouldn't upload this rip? --M1911 (talk) 06:02, 13 December 2014 (MST)
    • You shouldn't upload MP3 rips because users already can download the game recording in free OGG format. --binarymaster (talk) 07:48, 13 December 2014 (MST)
      • I know, but some original music that lopps in game was different. I wrote about it on your page. --M1911 (talk) 07:53, 13 December 2014 (MST)
        • Good job on the gameplay video. I like how you annotated it with links so you can skip the intro. As for MP3 music, the only time MP3 music is allowed to be uploaded, is if the game music itself is in MP3 format. If the music that is currently uploaded to the site isn't looped correctly, just re-record the song correctly, save out a new OGG file, and upload the corrected song. Let someone on the forum know about it, so that the old version of the song can be deleted.
          • No, I asked for other question. MP3 files are too big for uploading - ten songs even in ZIP contains 50 MB. But in original MP3s it did not repeating and haven,t ten seconds after the second repeat (in file itself, not in game). Should I load additional tracks for music that is repeatin, but with single recording? P.S. thanks fot your thoughts about the video. I'm adding annotations now, and I uploaded the second video in the series yet. --M1911 (talk) 22:02, 15 December 2014 (MST)
            • Ah, I see what the problem is. There are a couple of format types which should not have their ripped music uploaded in a zip file. The the game uses OGG, WAV, MP3, CD, FLAC, WMA, AAC, or any other digital stereo audio format, do not upload the rip. Instead, explain in the Rip section that the music is already in a digital audio format and give instructions for where anyone who owns the game can get the music. Then, adjust the music as needed to get the loops and upload it as individual songs for the recorded soundtrack section. See Magic: The Gathering (W32) for an example.
  • Tnx. And, I see, you lives in the state Michigan? --M1911 (talk) 10:55, 16 December 2014 (MST)
    • Yes sir! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2014 (MST)
      • Emm... RAR is copyrighted?! And what about the DjVu? It's open format, has the same functions with PDF and less size of the files than PDF. --M1911 (talk) 08:12, 18 December 2014 (MST)
      • RAR is a proprietary format. About DjVu format, yes it's open, but I don't know about its importance to VGMPF. --binarymaster (talk) 09:50, 18 December 2014 (MST)
        • Made Bohemian Rhapsody page. Note that I reuploaded the Queen photo. It was shrinked by somebody. I returned them normal body proportions. --M1911 (talk) 09:04, 18 December 2014 (MST)
        • I just googled this photo and found one which looks better and higher in resolution. --binarymaster (talk) 09:50, 18 December 2014 (MST)
          • Yes, RAR is a closed-format. We'll try to keep the non-audio formats limited as there are plenty of other wonderful sites dedicated to compression, graphic, and document formats. We should only have pages for those common to this site with simple instructions for people who don't know how to open them.
            • Should I put Sacred OST with named tracks on the page Sacred (W32)? Or I should create another page for it? And another questing - should I creatte pages about JPEG, BMP, PNG and GIF files - there are using in the album arts and pages about music - and TXT - there are containing in the lot of rips? And what's about the support of DjVu - it's free format like PDF, but the fies with it are less than PDF? P.S. I remade the rip for Wolfenstein 3D (DOS) - added ripped sounding. Unfotunatelly I hasd to reupload it 'cos I couldn't find the old rip. Can you check it? --M1911 (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2014 (MST)

Delete unused redirect

Hi - Can you please delete File:01 - Word Rescue - DOS - I Can Spell "Reggae" - Can You?.ogg for me? This song was named incorrectly and I have now fixed everything, and just need this page deleted as it is only a redirect now. (Please make sure you delete the redirect itself and not the file it points to! The link above should take you to the redirect itself.) Thanks! -- Malvineous (talk) 03:21, 30 December 2014 (MST)

All set. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:28, 30 December 2014 (MST)


I added GIF because it is used in this sile. Like your avatar, e.g. --M1911 (talk) 09:02, 6 January 2015 (MST)

  • Yes, it is used for animated graphics in avatars, but they are not related to primary content of the web site. Remember, the Formats page is meant to explain audio formats used in videogame music. It's helpful for site visitors to have pages for other formats so our visitors will know how to open ZIP and PDF files, but we don't want to list every format the site uses, otherwise we'd have to start including PHP, HTML, JavaScript, and a bunch of other things that don't pertain to videogame music, and we'd be here all day! :-) --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:11, 6 January 2015 (MST)

Add upload link to Template:Song-List

Hi - would it be possible to change Template:Song-List so that when the file doesn't exist, instead of a blank, you are given a link to upload it? It would just make it a little easier to upload new recordings. Here is an example of what I mean:

 | [[File:{{{1}}}|100px|noicon]]
 | <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:Upload|wpDestFile={{{1|}}}}} Upload]</span>

This will give you the word "Upload" if the file doesn't exist, and clicking on it takes you straight to the upload page with the target filename already entered. -- Malvineous (talk) 16:59, 10 January 2015 (MST)

On second thoughts, scratch that request - I just realised you're supposed to put a download link in the next table column and you can use that to upload the file. Sorry! -- Malvineous (talk) 17:02, 10 January 2015 (MST)
No worries. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 15:26, 11 January 2015 (MST)

Infobox Software template

The size of default empty screenshot is very big. And I think it needs something another than "NoPhoto.png".

Example: Minecraft Note Block Studio

--binarymaster (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2015 (MST)

Thanks for pointing that out to me. It's fixed now. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 15:26, 11 January 2015 (MST)

Found the same issue with Infobox Platform, examples: Amiga CD32 and Commodore CDTV. --binarymaster (talk) 16:35, 16 January 2015 (MST)

Infobox Game template

I found a bug that if game page doesn't use "Publication" (release) template, it isn't included in the category {{{PlatformPage}}} Games.

"Infobox Game" code sample:


"Publication" is more correct:

[[{{{PlatformPage}}}{{!}}{{{PlatformName}}}]] <includeonly>[[Category: {{{PlatformPage}}} Games]]</includeonly>

--binarymaster (talk) 06:38, 14 January 2015 (MST)

So how about this? Here is example page: Adventure Cavern (WEB), it isn't included in the category Category: Web Games.

--binarymaster (talk) 15:28, 26 January 2015 (MST)

Fixed. -- Malvineous (talk) 07:59, 1 February 2015 (MST)
Thanks! -- binarymaster (talk) 08:33, 1 February 2015 (MST)

Max uploading size

Hello, Dean!

Max uploading size is equal to 2 MB now, I can't upload my new recording :) --binarymaster (talk) 11:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

It seems like after updating the Wiki, some parameters were restored to its defaults. --binarymaster (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I've bumped up the max-upload size again, so you should be all set. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 14:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
The problem still exists. (Screenshot) --binarymaster (talk) 20:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes. I fixed the Wiki's settings, but the bottle-neck is in PHP. I've changed the settings, in the php.ini file, but they are not taking effect. Give me a moment to research this. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
All set now. There was a malformatted line in my php.ini file which was causing it to revert to the default 2MB limit. Everything should be back to 20 MB. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 14:53, 26 January 2015 (MST)
Thanks! --binarymaster (talk) 15:01, 26 January 2015 (MST)


Congratulations! Dean, I'm finally installed TOR browser, as you recommended, and I'll use it for VGMPF. It works slower than Yandex, but the problem has gone. Thanks. --M1911 (talk) 10:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, TOR is pretty slow because it has to bounce its packets all around, but glad to hear you're back online! I'm still not sure what's blocking you, but at least you can edit once more! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 14:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Social userpage

Now another question... how do I access my previous user page, or move it to UserWiki page?

It's very interesting to use social features (I think I will use it), but I can't get diff history or my page source.

--binarymaster (talk) 15:02, 26 January 2015 (MST)

There is a yellow button on the top-right of your user page which reads Use wiki userpage. Click that, and you'll see your original user page, and it's discussion page. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 15:06, 26 January 2015 (MST)

The longest music ever?

  • I tried to find the longest music (the length of it without the loop):

The shortest is File:01 - Bionic Commando - ARC - Coin Jingle.ogg - 0:01.

About the longest...

File:01 - Nemesis the Warlock - C64 - Nemesis the Warlock.ogg - 6:52;

File:00 - Sacred - W32 - Desert.ogg - 7:31;

File:01 - DX-Ball 2 - W32 - BeatWave.ogg - 7:42;

Did you find the track longer uploaded it on VGMPF? More then 7:42? --M1911 (talk) 06:35, 27 January 2015 (MST)

Special Ending 4 for Tetris Attack (SNES) is around 10 minutes long, however, the first 5 minutes is very similar to the last 5 minutes (just variations in the background accompaniment). But it doesn't truly loop until after the 10 minute mark. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 14:06, 27 January 2015 (MST)

Cite extension

Hi - any chance you'd be able to enable the Cite extension, so that I can add references to pages like this one? I believe it's included in the MediaWiki distribution now so you probably already have it installed, you just have to add a line to LocalSettings.php to enable it. Thanks! -- Malvineous (talk) 21:03, 31 January 2015 (MST)

All set. Good suggestion too, our site could really benefit with some more professionalism. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:25, 2 February 2015 (MST)

An offer

I described it in the last two sections in binarymaster page. Malvineus said to discuss about it with you.--M1911 (talk) 10:10, 5 February 2015 (MST)

This site's primary goal is about the music and sound capabilities of videogames throughout history. As a gamer, I love seeing games placed back-to-back to see their differing capabilities, but that's really about their graphics rather than their sound. However, what you suggest is already available in the songs pages. Take a look at the Peter Gunn Theme. Notice the screenshots from the various ports of Spy Hunter. You'll see similarities in other songs that are reused across many ports like Get Them Before They Get You or Game Start - Arkanoid. The objective is to have a screenshot from every port of the game. While I don't think these comparisons fit on the Games pages, they do make sense in the song pages. Let me know if this is what you were expecting. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 10:29, 5 February 2015 (MST)
  • Hmm, you are right. It can be also the way to reduce the size of the pages, pictures and the traffic (one pucture will be loaded faster).
    I tried to make the example of the feature. It's it on this page. Only swap the DOS and JAG to keep alphabetic order. And add other game I didn't screened yet. As you can see, all sizes were rediced to minimum size of some of this pictures - DOSBox connot screen more then 640px. --M1911 (talk) 09:34, 7 February 2015 (MST)
I see what you mean. However, this site is not about showcasing graphical differences between various game ports. The individual song pages allow screenshots from various games, so you're welcome to include comparative screenshots (as long as they fit with the songs), but for the time being, Series pages will not have comparative screenshots. For an example of how a mature Series pages should look, see the Times of Lore Series page. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:10, 9 February 2015 (MST)

Country flags in SVG format

Hello, Dean!

M1911 suggested to use SVG format instead of PNG for country flags. What do you think about this idea?

Love the idea. I already got a collection of SVG format flags, I'm just renaming them to get them uploaded. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 13:21, 11 February 2015 (MST)
Dean, I uploaded the Russian flag. But the testing of it shows some issues:
The black border of it is much better. Can you draw it on new SVGs? And get to the Belgium flag the ratio aspect of 2:3, as it was on the old flags (it's not real ratio for real flag, but it do flags more ordered)?
And about this. Strange Asia picture, because it lacks many contries: Afghanistan, all Arabean countries, Turkey, all CIS countries placed on the Asia (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan), Georgia, Russia, Iran, Philippines, Indonesia, East Timor, Brunei Darussalam... LOL, really, it's not Asia? --M1911 (talk) 02:45, 12 February 2015 (MST)

I found that Template:Infobox Album needs to be updated with new flags. -- binarymaster (talk) 05:11, 14 February 2015 (MST)

Fixed the flag problem and added a better graphic for missing cover art. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:07, 16 February 2015 (MST)

404 on ogg image

Also I found one unrelated small problem. File "fileicon-ogg.png" is 404 Not Found (example). -- binarymaster (talk) 07:24, 11 February 2015 (MST)

Strange, I'm not getting that error. Could you take a screenshot of your browser and post it, so I can see what it looks like? --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 13:21, 11 February 2015 (MST)
Yes, here it is: 1, 2. -- binarymaster (talk) 15:54, 11 February 2015 (MST)
I'm loading the page correctly now Screen. Try clearing your cache and trying again. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 16:10, 11 February 2015 (MST)
Rechecked, cleared entire cache, but it's the same. One interesting thing that the problem is only with Chrome browser. Firefox displays it correctly. Here is the source code of a page:
<div id="ogg_player_2"><div><img src="/Wiki/skins/common/images/icons/fileicon-ogg.png" width="125" height="125" alt="Thumbnail for version as of 20:21, 10 January 2015" /></div>
The reason is when Firefox can't load image, it displays alternative name. But Chrome doesn't display it, only shows broken image. -- binarymaster (talk) 02:35, 12 February 2015 (MST)
I'm getting a 404 Not Found (with Firefox) also for this URL, but oddly I can still see a speaker image on the Doofus .ogg page. Right-clicking on that image and choosing "view image" did work initially, but when I reloaded the picture it changed to a 404. Maybe when the wiki was upgraded the image file went away, but everyone had it cached so nobody noticed until now? -- Malvineous (talk) 05:09, 12 February 2015 (MST)
Update: Looks like there's no "common" folder inside /Wiki/skins/ anymore. -- Malvineous (talk) 05:55, 12 February 2015 (MST)
Got it. Turns out the old OggHandler extension was dependent on a skin that is no longer supported in WikiMedia 1.24. I've temporarily fixed the problem by uploading the missing file into the extension folder and changing the code to its new path. A better fix is to ditch OggHandler and use the new TimedMediaHandler instead. Last time I tried this, I couldn't get it to work, but that was years ago and there may be a more user-friendly version now. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 10:54, 12 February 2015 (MST)

Game updates


I updated game pages, so Template:Release and Template:Screenshots are not used anymore and can be deleted. -- binarymaster (talk) 07:19, 14 February 2015 (MST)

Template:Table Albums too. -- binarymaster (talk) 12:56, 14 February 2015 (MST)

And finally I cleared Category: Old Format :) -- binarymaster (talk) 05:44, 15 February 2015 (MST)

Thank you so much! I had been chipping away at those for years now, and it's so nice to know they're finally done! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 07:53, 16 February 2015 (MST)

YM Format

Loak also on the first CPC game, Highlander (CPC), new format and way to log it. I think, no we can at least make a soundtrack for Bionic Commando (CPC), ain't it? --M1911 (talk) 08:01, 16 February 2015 (MST)

Wonderful! I thought the Amstrad CPC ripping scene was just dead compared to the Spectrum ZX scene because there were so few AY files for it. Turns out, people had been logging them to YM instead. I'll definitely have to start recording some CPC games now! Thanks for adding this. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:11, 16 February 2015 (MST)
The only problem that's impossible to trip YM files. if the music is looping. In this example, I just recorded it once. --M1911 (talk) 08:14, 16 February 2015 (MST)

Get Them Before They Get You

I thought about the feature with multiple shots in one and uploaded it. Is this good?

I see what you're trying to accomplish with the image comparison, and I appreciate the time you spent trying out this new layout. However, combining the images like this makes it difficult to tie the images to each game and makes it impossible to see the screenshots in their original unmodified format. This site is not meant to showcase comparative graphics, but rather, comparative music. The screenshots are just a helpful reminder to the reader when they can expect to hear the songs. Please return the former screenshots, but thank you again for trying. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:49, 18 February 2015 (MST)
    • Returned. But please, don't delete this file - I placed it on my subpage. --M1911 (talk) 05:40, 19 February 2015 (MST)
No problem. It's a cool graphic! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 11:53, 19 February 2015 (MST)

Some rights

For the last time, I'm usually in the situations when one or more files should be deleted. But as I don't have rights to delete files, pages, etc., I have to wait for you or Stas Motylkov. What's your thoughts about this? --M1911 (talk) 06:04, 26 February 2015 (MST)

No problem; I've made you a power user. You now have delete rights. Use them wisely my young Padawan. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:59, 26 February 2015 (MST)

Dean, I'm stuck

Wolfenstein 3D (PSP) and Wolfenstein 3D (AND) have the same music emulated IMF files in the same order (because using shareware Wolfenstein 3D (DOS) files). Android version seems to be more official, but PSp was relesed in 2005 or 2006, while Android in 2013. Which page should I choose to create? Or should I create both? --M1911 (talk) 07:28, 12 March 2015 (MDT)

UPD: Other thing to compare:

AND: Emulated PC Speaker/Sound Blaster/AdLib for sound, all but PCS for music (no Disney from DOS).

PSP: Probably SB/AdLIb for music (both emulated), sounds - I dunno.

AND: Digital WAV from Sound Blaster.

PSP: Dunno. --M1911 (talk) 07:31, 12 March 2015 (MDT)

It really depends on the sound of the music. If a recent port of a game has identical sounds music to an earlier version, there is no point in making a page for it. For example, the version of Metroid released on the Nintendo Wii Virtual Console is just an emulated version of the NES Metroid game. The Wii emulates the audio chips of the NES almost perfectly, so the music sounds identical. So, why bother recording music for the Wii if it's going to sound exactly the same as the NES? However, the Metroid game released on the Game Boy Advance sounds a little different. Even though the Game Boy Advance used an emulator to play the game, the GBA had different audio hardware. It wasn't able to emulate the NES hardware perfectly, so the music is noticeably different. Because of this, a GBA Metroid page is acceptable. You should listen to the music on the PSP and Android ports. If one is noticeably different, make a page for it, but it they sound pretty much identical to the DOS version, don't bother creating a new page. Instead, mention on the DOS page that the PSP and Android ports have identical music. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:46, 12 March 2015 (MDT)
  • PSP chip and chips of the systems which can have Android as OS are different. So the sounding isd different. But it's impossible to record sound as it's played on real Android - it will be recorded as DOS version, or the recording won't be proper and have bad quality of the sound. It seems to be both pages are acceptale, but what's your opinion about? --M1911 (talk) 02:57, 13 March 2015 (MDT)
  • UPD: I found probably the true Alpha version of Wolfenstein 3D (DOS): [1] (with link to download). Is this true version made by idSoft. or another fake? Can you contact about this with John Romero or somebody from the idSoftware who might know about this (with written proof, if this is true, for sites like Wikipedia)?

The IMF files on this Alpha (or not?) shows this (in the original order, verified with XWE):









Only Get Them Before They Get You is playing. It's identical to the final version, but I didn't check the others.

Android and PSP devices use full stereo audio hardware. By contrast, the AdLib uses FM Synthesis through a chip known as the OPL2. If the Wolfenstein 3D version you're looking at uses the same IMF files as the original game, the programmer is probably emulating the OPL2, which means the PSP and Android devices will probably produce nearly-identical music to the DOS version of the game. I can't verify this, as I haven't played either.
Also, recording music on an Android device is probably possible with the right software. If regular software can't do it, modified firmware probably can. Failing that, you can always use a stereo patch cable to go from the Android device's headphone jack to the input jack of a sound card (although this is not recommended since a digital-to-analog-to-digital recording will be of lower quality).
Regarding the alpha version of Wolfenstein 3D, I can't validate its legitimacy. John Romero would probably know, and it would be good to quote him on the site if you can contact him. Although, if all the music is the same, there is no point in making the recording. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:40, 13 March 2015 (MDT)
I can contact with him. But I'm afraid that he wouldn't keep the diagol seriously because I'm 15. I tried to contact Bobby Prince, Daniel Rosenfield and Marcus Persson last year. No one aswered to me. I thought that's your trying will be more successful. About the game: the recordings are the same (I checked it), but validating the date could change the date of publishing this songs earlier than 5th of MAy 1992. --M1911 (talk) 08:49, 13 March 2015 (MDT)

What's your thoughts about

As for VGMPF, I saw, that many of the pages are incomplete. Missing shots, incomplete rips, too few infos, etc.... There are no time for them, because the projects need in new pages, but how 'bout the idea of announcing the April and the May the months of project's inmprovement? Not to create anything new (pages, etc.), before at least the most of old pages will be complete?

That's not a long ltime, but the result would be the better quality at all. And it may result to the increasing the VGMPF's popularrity in the interet. --M1911 (talk) 08:20, 17 March 2015 (MDT)

Funny you should mention that; I've been thinking about doing this for awhile now. I'm even working on a new set of templates that will make the missing information a bit more obvious. I too would like to have everyone work together for just a little while to try and polish the less finished pages. Although, it's important to remember that the work people are contributing to this site is a gift, and I certainly don't want to presume on their efforts. So, while I'd like to see cleaner pages, I'm fine with everyone editing at their leisure. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 12:42, 17 March 2015 (MDT)
  • If the music is mono (Wings of Death 7 from Amiga), should I convert it to the stereo? --M1911 (talk) 21:57, 20 June 2015 (MDT)
    I would say yes - some devices have problems playing mono audio, and providing you don't add any enhancement and have the exact same audio in both channels, the redundant data gets removed during compression so the stereo .ogg file should be barely any larger than the mono one. -- Malvineous (talk) 16:21, 21 June 2015 (MDT)
Agreed. I convert all the audio I upload to the site to stereo. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:07, 27 June 2015 (MDT)

A bug of uploading OGV files

I uploaded OGV video for Thunderstruck version for the test. It plays, but has no miniature; only the link gives the video. Is this a bug? --M1911 (talk) 02:14, 28 July 2015 (MDT)

I love that song! Unfortunately, I don't have any plans to support video uploading. I have to pay for server space myself, and I only make about $2 a month from the Google ads, so I really can't afford to host music videos in addition to the music. Instead, please upload your videos to YouTube, and link to them in the links section of the song page. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2015 (MDT)
Ok. But therefore the feature ofvuploading OGV files is excess. --M1911 (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2015 (MDT)
One question... If this feature is useless, why it exists? --M1911 (talk) 04:45, 14 September 2015 (MDT)
It's just part of the OGG extension I installed. It includes both the audio and video formats together. I never bothered to restrict the video. --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 06:51, 14 September 2015 (MDT)


Now I'm 16. Looking at my fist experience on VGMPF, I think, that sometimes I was writting nonsense, creating pages with few useful information. Sorry if I irritated you last two years with grammatical errors and other such things.
Happy Birthday! I appreciate everything that you've done to help the site! A few grammatical errors is no reason to feel bad, and as you learn to speak English more efficiently, you can always fix up any past mistakes. Cheers! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2015 (MST)

AdLib image not showing?

Hello I noticed that the AdLib Icon, in the audio devices list (64x64 pixels) never shows up in pages. I've tried in Firefox and Chrome, somehow there's no difference. It only shows up in IE.

I have downloaded the file, and reuploaded a version compressed differently here :

But to no avail. I don't know what's wrong with that file. -- Beegle (talk) 08:38, 6 January 2016 (MST)

Hi Beegle, that's certainly strange! I've tried Fire Fox, Chrome, and IE on one computer, Fire Fox and IE on another computer, and Chrome on my phone. In every instance, the image displays correctly. Can you try from another computer/tablet/phone and see if it displays correctly on another device? Thanks! --TheAlmightyGuru (talk) 08:48, 6 January 2016 (MST)
The problem was happening on both my home and work PCs - work PC configured by the IT guys. And I've found the culprit : AdBlock Plus. Apparently the file 'Icon - AdLib.png' is getting blocked from appearing on the pages. If I disable AdBlock, I see the image.
Strange thing is that 'Icon - AdLib Gold.png' does not get blocked so I don't know why it's treated differently. Beegle (talk) 16:02, 9 January 2016 (MST)
I had this problem once before as well. I reported it as a problem to the AdBlock people but it looks like it was never fixed. From memory there's a regular expression that matches the folder name of the image which is why it gets blocked. You can whitelist the image which is what I ended up doing - don't think there's an easy fix otherwise. -- Malvineous (talk) 14:49, 10 January 2016 (MST)

Upload Warning?

Hello, sorry to bother again! One of the songs for Galactix I'm trying to upload gives me an error when uploading.

"The file is a corrupt or otherwise unreadable zip file. It cannot properly be checked for security."

Has this ever happened to you? The file is effectively an OGG file, and plays well in foobar2000 Beegle (talk) 17:28, 9 January 2016 (MST)